Ep #25: Mental Sovereignty with Guest Dr. Brett Jones

Dr. Nicole:

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Dr. Nicole:

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Dr. Nicole:

We are actually doing a podcast episodes, and I have my good friend and colleague here, Dr. Brett Jones. I know that he is very popular on the online space for the amazing work that he does in the world. But what people don’t know is we were actually roommates being degenerates couple of years ago.

Dr. Brett Jones:

You said it. This may be true, yes.

Dr. Nicole:

It was a very raw and real friendship that was created a very long time ago. And it is actually amazing to see what he has created, because literally I met you fresh into school. And I knew you were going to do big things. So it’s pretty awesome to see what you’ve created.

Dr. Brett Jones:

Back at you sister, back at you. You met me young and in a chiropractic school. My first [inaudible 00:01:45].

Dr. Nicole:

I know.

Dr. Brett Jones:

You got to be introduced to the Jersey craziness.

Dr. Nicole:

You are the person who created the nickname for my dad, big dog, which is a side story we’re not even going to get into. But still to this day, that lives on. His name is big dogs. So that’s for another podcast, but we will go there one day. But Brett has been doing some really amazing things.

Dr. Nicole:

I’ve been watching from a distance because we don’t live close. But he has created The Source Chiropractic, which is now in various locations. And he’s made a pretty big move to create The Source in Tucson. And he also has an amazing platform. I feel like I’m going to say it wrong. I was going to say Chiros.

Dr. Brett Jones:

That’s good.

Dr. Nicole:

Okay. And tell us more about that because from what I understand, you’re really taking a lot of chiropractors under your wing and training them to be the best of the best, right?

Dr. Brett Jones:

That’s basically it. We’re like the Navy seals, if you will, of chiropractic.

Dr. Nicole:

I love it.

Dr. Brett Jones:

But yeah, that actually started as a student. When it first launched, it was called the [inaudible 00:02:57] ninjas, and it was a little underground club that we did at life west. And then I wasn’t sure that it was going to continue when I left. I didn’t know how much of it was about me being there versus how much was about the training.

Dr. Brett Jones:

And it grew when I left. So I realized that what we had created was something that needed to be shared to different schools. And so now I’ve gone and taught, I think we’re at 13 different countries now and over 5,000 chiropractors and chiropractor students. And we have all kinds of training camps.

Dr. Brett Jones:

And it’s such a blessing to help guide and mentor students in that way, because the truth of it is in chiropractic school, you don’t get a lot of hands-on training. It’s a lot of pos eulogy if you will, when you’re going to learn these adjustments. So to work the training both on the chiropractic side.

Dr. Brett Jones:

But to me even bigger why Chiros is what it is, is how we train the mental, emotional, and spiritual pieces through a variety of movement, breath work, meditation, and breakthrough experiences. And one thing that I’ve learned is that if you want to be a great chiropractor, be a great person.

Dr. Nicole:

Hell to the yeah.

Dr. Brett Jones:

A great person goes a long fucking way. Yeah, I want to be around good people. And so, there has to be work and trained and we have to heal ourselves continuously because what we do requires holding deep space for people. And being clear and certain, in who we are, because we are cut of a different cloth, if you will.

Dr. Brett Jones:

We don’t follow the mainstream. We take health into our own hands and I think that’s a lot about what this podcast is going to be about is what is mind, body sovereignty? Is it worth fighting for? And where do we find some of the greatest expressions of health in humanity? So yeah, I’m excited to get into it.

Dr. Nicole:

Yeah, I think what you’re saying is so massive because one of the things that I teach in the Institute is just comfort is the death of everything. And if you are not continually growing yourself, growing your business, then you are stagnant. And it’s really something that doesn’t allow you to fulfill that purpose or be lit up every day.

Dr. Nicole:

And we’re currently living in a model that we’re being stripped of critical thinking and using common sense. Common sense is not so common anymore. And I know that one of the biggest things that we teach at Integrative Wellness Group is getting people to think outside the box. And I love when I have a conversation with someone and they’re like, wow, that really makes sense.

Dr. Nicole:

But it’s pretty much the polar opposite of what they’ve been told about their health or their mindset or how their mind affects their health. And it’s really part of our job is retraining and deprogramming the programming. This is something that I’m so excited to kind of bring both perspectives to the table because I think that based on how we’ve been practicing in different endeavors is we’re both experiencing it, but in different ways.

Dr. Brett Jones:

Yeah, I mean, you said a few things that resonate with me. One is the path of continual evolution in growth. And in that path of continual evolution growth, it is often uncomfortable. But it is possible to become as familiar with the uncomfortable as you are with the comfortable.

Dr. Brett Jones:

Many avoid the uncomfortable due to unfamiliarity, which then brings a fear. And this can also be communicated as the shadow side of ourself, right? The light is what we know, right? In the light, there is gnosis. In the light there is an objective experience. In the darkness is what we don’t know. But the greater our light, the bigger the shadow, which means that we find out that we don’t know a lot.

Dr. Brett Jones:

And that’s actually the educated journey of why I even chose to be a chiropractor in the first place. I go to undergrad, I’m studying exercise science and sports management and learning about the body and at the time really about how to be bigger, faster, stronger for football.

Dr. Brett Jones:

But I kept realizing the more I studied human anatomy, the more I studied physiology, the more I study kinesiology, the more I didn’t know anything. I knew I didn’t know anything. And I was like, I want to keep going. And so I let the unknown be a source of inspiration. Whereas many let the unknown be something that they need to fucking label, put it in a box so that they don’t have to deal with it.

Dr. Brett Jones:

And what you end up with then is if you constantly are unwilling to deal with the unknown, one, you’re going to experience stasis, which means you’re not growing. You’re not moving, you’re not adapting. And in stasis is the cause of disease, but we can get into that later.

Dr. Brett Jones:

But also you’re going to start to end up with a very, very limited perspective of life often dictated by other. Because you won’t question things, because in the questioning, you have to experience the unknown of the answer that you’re not aware of. You have to be able to discern a variety of opinions, perspectives, and data. And most people don’t want to do it. And that’s why I feel-

Dr. Nicole:

I’m like this, I’m like yoo-hoo right now.

Dr. Brett Jones:

Well, I mean, it’s coming in when two or more gathered, right? So it’s coming in because these are some of the thoughts that I have, but they don’t always have an opportunity to express. So I’m grateful to be on this podcast. I’m grateful to be with you because I do operate as a channel mostly when teaching. And so this is good because there’s new information coming through.

Dr. Brett Jones:

And this is why I think a lot of people end up getting labeled the “sheep”, which I’m not a fan of giving a name personally. Because I feel like then that’s kind of a similar thing of I’m putting a label on this person. Now I don’t have to deal with them. And I just associate all of these ideas with what I think that is. Versus I can notice a behavior.

Dr. Brett Jones:

By noticing a behavior I’m questioning on whether or not that behavior is healthy, whether that behavior is empowering. And then holding space hopefully for that person or people to find a different perspective. But yeah, I think a lot of this has to do… Which again, I’m happy to dialogue this, but Western civilization especially is very afraid of the shadow, very afraid of the darkness.

Dr. Brett Jones:

And this is something that has been taught with colonization. A lot of practices that existed in indigenous cultures whether it be shamanic practices or other practices that formed a spirituality were immediately cast it out as evil, were considered demonic, were considered to be not of God and of a certain again, light.

Dr. Brett Jones:

But what I’ve personally found is that those tough experiences where we really go within to the deeper psyche of our own mind, of our own being-ness and question it, why is this here? Why do I feel this way? What is my needs or what are my unmet needs? Did this come from someone else? Is this a form of repeated trauma? Is this down an ancestral line? Is this me getting a vision of something in the future?

Dr. Brett Jones:

Those deeper questions, although maybe painful, although may create momentary chaos in our life, usually lead, especially with guidance, usually lead to a greater awakening of self, to a greater capacity to heal, to grow, to live. But it’s often now work that gets neglected massively because of fear of the unknown.

Dr. Nicole:

Well, it’s interesting with what you were saying about comfort and fear around that. But one of my absolute favorite quotes is that everything you need is outside of your comfort zone. And people will fight like hell to stay in their comfort zone.

Dr. Nicole:

And it’s just interesting because I just remember back in the day, even as literally a child, and I don’t know where it came from, and I don’t know if it was just my inner self was, or my inner voice was just so loud that I couldn’t even ignore it, but I remember even just being in elementary school and, oh, you have to have a pass to go to the bathroom. Why?

Dr. Nicole:

Always challenging, that doesn’t make any sense. It’s a natural thing that I have to do, why can’t I just go? And it was just such a lack of trust with children. And it was like, no, you have to walk in this line and do this. And you only have 10 minutes and it was just always questioning, questioning, questioning. But then you get in trouble or you get told don’t question and your friends are even like, why are you questioning it?

Dr. Nicole:

It kind of dims that, and then… But it’s always there and you have to make a choice, I think, to listen to it. And you have to make a choice to get out of that comfort zone, and you have to make a choice to know that it is okay to be different. It is okay to think differently. And if you think differently, there are going to be people that give you push-back, but there’s going to be a boatload of people that you inspire at the same time.

Dr. Nicole:

And as long as you are truly in integrity with that. I remember getting out of school and wanting to shout from the rooftops everything that we learned and how the food industry is corrupt and how there’s so much wrong with what we’ve been programmed as being quality medicine. And I found there was a lot of push-back, but when I truly was like, you know what?

Dr. Nicole:

I’m going to live my life the way I want to live it. And I’m going to embody this because this is my values and this is my belief system, and I’m okay with being different. And you can tell me, I’m weird for doing this or doing that, or the food I put out at my gettogethers. I could give two shits. But what I found was that people started being like, whoa, you and Nick are really happy.

Dr. Nicole:

And wow, you guys don’t really fight a lot. And wow, you guys seem like you always have energy, and you guys really seem like you’re clear on your business. And they started connecting the dots that it wasn’t just about our mindset. It was about everything we did and embraced, and how we were committed to thinking outside the box and growing, and being okay with sometimes being wrong or sometimes not being accepted.

Dr. Nicole:

People started to get inspired by that. That was really just such an aha moment for me is that it really just showed me it’s about being okay with the uncomfortable, but also knowing that it’s not for everyone. And some people are going to be extremely inspired and others are not, and that’s totally fine. I’m cool with that. But those are not necessarily the people that I want to spend my time with.

Dr. Brett Jones:

There’s a huge fear of criticism, I think is one of the big ones that keeps most people out of action. Because like you said, we all have this call in our own individuality. And of course you have the different astrological signs and the Enneagram and life by design. There’s all these different things that can show you some patterns of potential behavior.

Dr. Brett Jones:

I imagine you’re a challenger as I am in many ways. And so I’ve also been the kid that questioned everything. I was the one that questioned everything in chiropractic school too. And that’s what led to the greatness, if you will. Because I questioned everything very simple, like a simple leg check.

Dr. Brett Jones:

And for those unfamiliar in chiropractic, you have a prone leg check. So somebody that’s laying down on the table, you can check the length of their legs. And then they have a test where you bring those legs up. And if one of the legs go short, then that’s supposed to be a certain listing for the pelvis, right? A certain [inaudible 00:16:32] And I would say why?

Dr. Nicole:

Me too.

Dr. Brett Jones:

But the truth is they didn’t really have any good answers. And so because of asking the why, I was able to start to pick out the holes in every technique, because guess what? They’re in every technique.

Dr. Nicole:

Everything. But everything in life.

Dr. Brett Jones:

Exactly, and that’s what I was trying to say. Everything in life, these ideas, these perspectives, these philosophies on life, they all have their benefits and-

Dr. Nicole:

Drawbacks.

Dr. Brett Jones:

… Have their liabilities and drawbacks and they all have their holes. And so we get better through a collective of perspectives and ideas that challenge the system, and then try to adapt and make it better, right?

Dr. Brett Jones:

And so every time, but again, there’s this whole process, every time you bring out a new idea, the immediate is to judge it and then ridicule it, potentially shame it, try to discredit it. But if it continues to last and it continues to persevere, and then it continues to show results, now we have something that can continue to play.

Dr. Brett Jones:

And I’ve experienced that in my businesses. I’ve experienced that in my philosophy of life. I’ve experienced that in my pursuit in health. And I think one of the bigger conversations that we want to get in here is right now, there’s a play being made that is moving towards…

Dr. Nicole:

Control.

Dr. Brett Jones:

Control, and completely riding humanity from individual thought. And most people don’t even see it yet.

Dr. Nicole:

And shaming the people that are thinking outside the box that are saying, I don’t want to be part of an experiment right now because there are no studies on the vaccine. And in one breath, we’re saying that the COVID virus is completely… People can recover from it, and it has a very low mortality rate.

Dr. Nicole:

And then media is like, there’s people dying left and right. So we have to be able to take away this idea of black and white. And I tell people all the time is you want to think that medicine is black and white. I cannot begin to tell you how much freaking gray that there is and how much of medicine is opinionated and subjective. You think that your doctor is giving you the best recommendation.

Dr. Nicole:

They’re giving you the recommendation of the medication that they saw work with the one other person who had your symptoms. And then when it doesn’t work, they’re like, well, I saw this one other medication that worked with this other person that kind of sounds like you. So we’ll try that one. They’re literally throwing at a wall. There is no specificity.

Dr. Nicole:

There is lack of science and I am so sick of people saying, do you believe in science? I’m like, tell me what science is valid other than the doctors that are living and breathing and seeing the real life cases that all are gray? They’re not black and white. They’re not the textbook. So we need to stop thinking that there is valid science, because guess what?

Dr. Nicole:

All the science is funded for money. It is funded by pharma, which is for-profit. And if you think that there is any level of a lie in that, do the research yourself, because that is the reality of what we are working with.

Dr. Nicole:

So when I started going to conferences for the functional medicine, I stopped going to certain conferences because I’m like, if you talk about evidence-based research one more time by a company that funded it to pretty much push that their drug worked for a certain condition, I don’t want to hear it. I want to hear it from the people that are living and breathing the real life, very difficult, complex clinical situations.

Dr. Brett Jones:

Yap, exactly.

Dr. Nicole:

It’s not black and white people. And it is very, very subjective.

Dr. Brett Jones:

Science itself, right? Is a continual discovery.

Dr. Nicole:

Yeah, exactly.

Dr. Brett Jones:

How many things that we thought within science 10 years ago, is not even close anymore? And how quickly is that process evolving with the ease of the new technology? So, an understanding that might’ve taken 50 years is taking closer to five years now. And then as that continues, it’s an exponential process.

Dr. Brett Jones:

So one is, people are communicating. They’ve confused the word science with medicine, and that’s not the same. And they’ve also confused science as being something concrete, which then goes back to there’s a fear of the unknown. And I think that’s one of the biggest fears that we’re all dealing with. And because you see this happening with the fear of death as well.

Dr. Brett Jones:

So many people have been, you could say programed or grown up in a paradigm or perspective of fearing death. And in the fear of death, you relinquish the right to live. And to me, the wrong questions are being asked. Right now the question that’s being asked is how do we save the most lives? I would challenge that with how do we live the most life?

Dr. Brett Jones:

Because what can happen? Because a lot of people, again haven’t become aware of even understanding statistics. Meaning that if you actually look at the death rates, right? Of 2020 versus 2019 versus 2018 versus 2017 versus 2016, I believe there’s been an increase in deaths throughout the years of like… I mean, it’s either point 0.8 or 0.08.

Dr. Brett Jones:

And 2020, just follow the same thing. If you actually look at excess deaths, right? That excess death number is really low. And if you’re judging a pandemic on a novel virus, which would be a new disease coming into community, to me the most important number to be aware of, it would be the excess deaths.

Dr. Brett Jones:

Because people are shouting, oh my God, 500,000 deaths in America, yet we had this miraculous decrease in influenza death. We had this miraculous decrease in pneumonia deaths. Then we had all these mis-associations of people dying with COVID versus due to COVID. And then also then you get to the PCR test, blah, blah, blah, blah, whatever.

Dr. Brett Jones:

Doesn’t matter. But unfortunately what’s happening is… Then all these tiered systems that get created out of nothing based on no historical significance at all. I mean, these tiered systems of lock-down to dah, dah, dah. But I think what people understand is the carrot can keep moving.

Dr. Brett Jones:

Meaning that if your biggest concern is with the potential loss of life, and right now seems like people don’t really care about loss of life due to cardiovascular disease. Seems like they don’t care about loss of life through the cancer. It seems like they don’t care about loss of life due to all of the other fucking things that can happen, but they’re really concerned about the virus.

Dr. Brett Jones:

So if your main concern is loss of life due to virus, you can make moves, right? That can potentially limit viral transmission to nearly whatever number you want. My question is this, at that point, what type of life are you living? We are here with the freedoms and the rights that we have because at some point people said, this type of life is worth dying for.

Dr. Brett Jones:

We’re missing the point. What type of life do we want to protect? What type of life are we worth dying for? Because you can continue to completely try to rid the world of every bacteria and virus. I ask what does life look like when you are doing that? Is everybody walking around in hazmat suits? And do we just never leave our home?

Dr. Brett Jones:

And we only get our education and have interaction through a screen that then can be monitored and tracked and dah, dah, dah? And so what type of life do you want to live? I know because it wasn’t that long ago that I enjoy social interaction. I know that’s a basic human need.

Dr. Brett Jones:

I study energy as well. I understand that there’s electromagnetic field that radiates off the body. And part of our evolution comes from interaction with other electromagnetic fields. Isn’t-

Dr. Nicole:

Which is more powerful that anything else.

Dr. Brett Jones:

More powerful than anything else. And it is interesting that the heart’s electromagnetic field, which has the largest electromagnetic field that of any organ is four to six feet. How far they’ve been telling you to keep distance from people? You’re not getting any of those energetic, evolutionary upgrades from being in community, from being in proximity.

Dr. Brett Jones:

And what you’re going to see, and it’s already happening and that data’s already there, if you’re willing look at it, is you’re seeing mental health issues skyrocket. And we are only on the brink of it. If you haven’t seen what’s happening to the kids in the schools, no social interaction, keeping their distance six feet away, plexiglass.

Dr. Brett Jones:

It’s insane that children at the age of two now are being masked and distanced when they have near zero risk of this virus. And they’re having a hard time showing that they’re increasing the transmission. Not only this, I just saw on the news feed that they just approved the Moderna vaccine, which is not a vaccine, is gene therapy.

Dr. Brett Jones:

They just approved it for a trial for kids as young as six months old. When ideally if you’re going to vaccinate or you’re going to undergo experimental gene therapy, you-

Dr. Nicole:

Experimental is the keyword people, experimental.

Dr. Brett Jones:

You’d more than likely want to be one of the ones that are even at risk of the disease. Why would you undergo a medical process when you have almost zero, 0.0001% of having even an illness? You’re going to undergo an experimental gene therapy and they have no choice.

Dr. Brett Jones:

So, wrapping it back around this thread here is the main question I believe that we all need to be asking is what type of life do I want to live? What type of life is it worth dying for? And sometimes that will happen through exposure to, you fucking name it. And sometimes it will happen through natural process.

Dr. Brett Jones:

Sometimes it will happen through war, through battle. But we got to where we are at based on our previous generation’s ability to choose that they were willing to die for us to have the life that we have now. And now we have so many people that are scared of death that they’re not living and they’re relinquishing everything their forefathers and fore-mothers have fought for us to create. And it’s very sad.

Dr. Nicole:

It is. And even speaking on behalf of some of these aspects that I want to kind of just shed a little bit more light on when it comes to virus transmission and exposures, so much of what is out there. I remember when this all first started and people were talking about coronavirus and I was like, yeah, who cares? And they were like, what?

Dr. Nicole:

And I’m like, I see coronavirus all the time in testing that I do. I see lots of viruses all the time. I’m confused. What’s the big deal. And they’re like, and then it started blowing up and blowing up. And I was like, oh, this is becoming a thing. And one of my colleagues, we were having a conversation and he said something that just was so relevant.

Dr. Nicole:

He’s like, yeah, imagine if we just started swabbing people for anything and everything. Imagine the 30 million pandemics we would have. Start swabbing people for strep. 90% of people that I work with have strep in their bodies. Even if they’re two years old, if they’re 60 years old. Epstein-Barr virus, 99% of the patients I work with have Epstein-Barr virus in their system.

Dr. Nicole:

I would say on average, the people that I work with and I work with all different people, I’m not working with chronically ill people only, they all have four viruses or more in their body. And what we need to understand is that we are more viral matter than we are anything else as the human body.

Dr. Nicole:

And one thing that Zach Bush said, which was such a pivotal moment in my career is when you get into the functional medicine world, you start doing testing and you find infections, you find parasites and you find bacteria and you find viruses. And there’s a lot of teachings out there is kill it. Kill those infections so that you can create more homeostasis or a healthier body.

Dr. Nicole:

And what he said was viruses, parasites, bacteria have been around for thousands upon thousands of years, probably way longer. It’s been around longer than humans. So if we think we’re going to fight and we’re going to win, you’re wrong. And I just was like, you’re 100% right. Because what I was doing at that current moment with my patients wasn’t working.

Dr. Nicole:

Was focused on kill the bad guys, the “bad guys”. And some people had improvements. And there was a lot of people that didn’t. And that was the evolution of my mind as a practitioner of asking better questions of what do I not know? And it comes down to the energetic system, and it comes down to human interaction and being able to connect and have quality conversations and interaction.

Dr. Nicole:

And being able to feel that you are making an impact by helping others or growing something. And all of those things probably matter more than anything else. When you have an individual who’s chronically ill and you start to help them to work through trauma or to change their life so that they have more conversation or they have more interaction, or they create relationships that fulfill them, they radically heal.

Dr. Nicole:

And it’s not because of the magic drug or the magic surgery. Those things are so much more impactful than anything else. And honestly, the individuals that were not willing to explore that aspect of healing, that they were like, I don’t even know what I would do if I healed tomorrow. I don’t know what my life would look like if I had no symptoms.

Dr. Nicole:

I’m like, well, you don’t have a goal to work towards. And you’re also not changing your day-to-day behaviors. So I’m sorry, there is no magical supplement protocol, medic medical protocol or dietary protocol that’s going to change those other elements. And when you see the people that are committed to that and they make those steps, they need little to any intervention because they’re doing the foundational work.

Dr. Nicole:

They’re doing the deeper work. And that is just something that is so massively huge for people to understand. And this is why Dr. Nick got into the Demartini method. I know you know Dr. Demartini, but there would be times that I would be doing like a timeline. I’m like, it’s interest that all of your symptoms started right when your mom passed away or right when you got divorced.

Dr. Nicole:

And I’m not saying it was the only thing, but it was the straw that broke the camel’s back that allowed all of the inflammation to happen or all of the symptoms to really come to the surface. So if we want to ignore the elephant in the room, we’re not truly helping the person. And our society is moving towards isolation, fear of other people, fear of viruses.

Dr. Nicole:

Listen, if you have a fear of a virus you need… It’s probably because you have zero idea of where your health is at or you don’t want to know where your health is at. So that’s a shitty place to live because you’re completely disempowered. And it’s a matter of having better information so that you can actually do something about it.

Dr. Nicole:

And I know that you’re practicing different things than I’m even practicing, but there is bioenergetic therapies. There are Biomeridian therapies. There’s shamanic work. There’s energy work. There’s human behavior work. There are so many things out there that are modalities that are not the common belief that maybe are weird or woo woo because they’re alternative. But guess what people? Those are the ones that work. There are so many things you could do.

Dr. Brett Jones:

It’s always been that way. Medicine [inaudible 00:35:19], it is actually superior and actually helping people with their health. And I think that’s what people also-

Dr. Nicole:

The misconceptions.

Dr. Brett Jones:

That’s a big mis-perception. So I think the current belief or perception is that medicine is a superior in regards to health, because it seems to be the prominent. There’s the most medical doctors. Medicine has the most potential for making money, so it has the best in marketing. That’s that’s sure and simple the number one reason that people perceive it to be number one in health.

Dr. Brett Jones:

And an emphasis on perceive it to be number one in health. Now, when it comes to treatment of a symptom, there are some effective pharmaceuticals that are effective at treating a certain symptom. But treating of a symptom does not mean healing. Treating a symptom does not mean health. So is it possible that I could have a symptom and then have that symptom treated, but I’m still sick?

Dr. Brett Jones:

Absolutely, 100%of the time. Because sickness is not based on your expression of a symptom. Sickness we really should view it as more of what is your susceptibility to expressing symptoms that are non favorable? And so with that, we have to realize that often the healing gets neglected.

Dr. Brett Jones:

So what is healing? Healing is revealing you’re already wholeness and healing is going to be mind, body, spirit. This is your emotions. It’s everything. It’s the depths of who you are. Inhaling, something that can be experience is often the exacerbation of a symptom, the increase of a symptom.

Dr. Brett Jones:

Going from the energy perspective, you talked about a few different situations with potentially the passing of a mom or a bad breakup or a traumatic experience. And then we start to see these lists of symptomatic symptomatic events and episodes and creations. And you say, well, why is that? Well, that has an energetic signature, right?

Dr. Brett Jones:

And everything that we feel and experienced in the 3D in our environment really is in our field. And it stays with us. It’s a snapshot, and it gets imprinted on this hologram. And so often we need to feel it fully to heal it. So much of Western medicine is in the numbing of symptoms, in the miseducation, in the misinformation, such as making bacteria and viruses a bad guy.

Dr. Brett Jones:

When again, most just don’t have the awareness that you are more bacteria and more virus than you are “human”. This is something that we’ve been interacting with. This is something that is archaic. This is something that, again, predates the human biology. And life and health is better when we understand how to adapt and interact with our environment, instead of kill and destroy and numb and remove.

Dr. Brett Jones:

We start missing the point because then we just wait for the next thing that we need to target. And that’s, again, another dangerous path going back to mind body sovereignty. The dangerous path of acceptance, that if you are willing to accept experimental gene therapy… That’s what it is.

Dr. Brett Jones:

You can look it up look up during Moderna MRNA, right? Therapy. It’s a gene therapy. That’s the actual definition that was given within, I think when they registered to even be part of the, I don’t know if it’s FDA or something else, but it’s a gene therapy again, identifying as a vaccine.

Dr. Brett Jones:

But if you are willing to undergo the experimental gene therapy for a virus based on your specific age group or based on your specific health that your chances of surviving are 99.97% or higher in interaction with it, what other thing are you now agreeing to that’s coming next? Because there’s always going to be a variant, which we already are very aware of.

Dr. Brett Jones:

This is natural. People are still talking about a cold virus from 2019, which is sad. Because again, the natural evolution of all viruses is they adapt.

Dr. Nicole:

They mutate every 10 hours.

Dr. Brett Jones:

And so here we are trying to… Again, it’s even difficult to even talk about in some ways just because… Well, I don’t know., because to me it’s all right there for those that are wanting to look at it, but I think it’s unfortunate that people have chosen to remain ignorant in it and have chosen to relinquish powers to people like CDC, and I won’t even say the name.

Dr. Brett Jones:

You already know what I was going to say. And these vaccine companies. By the way, Moderna has never produced any product for the public, ever. This is the first one. He had no track record. Pfizer, one of the most corrupt and criminal corporations that exist in the world. Johnson & Johnson, not much better.

Dr. Brett Jones:

And you’re willing to allow their product that is inadequately tested to be injected or whatever how they’re going to fucking administer it now, into your blood stream without knowing of what’s going to happen.

Dr. Nicole:

But also ignoring what is being presented because people are unaware that there is a vaccine adverse reaction database. It’s actually not even that easy to navigate. And when you’re actually looking at that, there are thousands upon thousands, potentially even more because I haven’t looked at it for a few days, cases of people going into cardiac arrest after the vaccines.

Dr. Nicole:

So if this is not our opinion, this is not anything of the sort. The data is there. And when you’re actually… You can literally Google or Wikipedia some of the specific items that are on the package insert of Moderna and AstraZeneca. And one of the things that is present in the vaccine is the MRC-5. MRC-5 is the human diploid lung cells from a 14 week old male Caucasian aborted fetus.

Dr. Nicole:

So for those of you that are religious that are against abortion, you are now injecting aborted fetal cells into your system. You also have to understand is that you are putting… Well, not only are you putting foreign DNA from those cells into your body, but you’re also putting genetically modified ingredients in your body, in addition to the vaccines are classified as recombinant.

Dr. Nicole:

Recombinant means that that is a genetic hodgepodge that is completely foreign to the body as well as far into the immune system’s ability to recognize it as something to create an antigen against. So like Brett is saying, is this is a gene therapy. It’s compromising how the messaging to your DNA that pretty much says, hey, brain cells talk to each other.

Dr. Nicole:

Hey, liver cells talk to each other. It’s completely negating how those signals work. So this is why you’re not going to see the same symptoms. You’re going to see some individuals that have neurological side effects, some individuals that have liver failure, some individuals that go into cardiac arrest.

Dr. Nicole:

It’s not going to look the same across the board because it depends on the susceptibilities of the person, but it also depends on the current ecosystem of that person. So we’re really playing with fire as we are putting this in to people that are already unfortunately toxic because of the world.

Dr. Brett Jones:

Yeah. And the piece here then I think is a mis-perception is that these companies do not get started for the health of the people. Moderna is this for the money y’all, and what about… I mean, if you’re talking about just pure profits, the vaccine industry makes a lot of fucking sense.

Dr. Brett Jones:

They have zero risk and that’s what people don’t understand, right? You can’t Sue a vaccine company due to identification. And so what happens is any of these adverse events that happen with these products-

Dr. Nicole:

They’re hands off.

Dr. Brett Jones:

They get paid out. And they get paid out by who? They get paid out by you. They get paid out by the taxpayer, right? And it’s just sad that you have companies that have profit first interests that are able to massively distribute product, utilizing governmental resources, right? Because again, a lot of these things aren’t even being paid by the consumer. They’re being paid by the consumer, through the government, through their taxes. And so-

Dr. Nicole:

What people don’t understand either though is that there is a separate judicial system for adverse reactions from vaccines. If there are no such thing as adverse reactions from vaccines or no deaths associated with vaccines, why do we have a separate court system for it?

Dr. Brett Jones:

Right, billions of dollars every year go to adverse event payouts. And it’s estimated that only 1% of people actually report the adverse events. But the larger problem here that we all are going to be going through and dealing with in our own way, is this move that’s being made for what Orwell called group think.

Dr. Brett Jones:

Right now there’s this moving thought form, if you will, that is wanting everyone to think the same. And that’s why you’re seeing the censorship. That’s why you’re seeing the aggressiveness of the cancel culture, because it’s basically taking things that are always part of human nature, right? Just natural criticism for thinking differently to new extremes, where people will rally and try to ruin people’s lives for just having a different thought.

Dr. Brett Jones:

That jobs are being lost for having a different thought. That we’re wanting to get rid of history that had a different thought process. Instead of learning from it, allowing it to be to continue to challenge the system, that way we can continue to evolve in a way that is a collective, sovereign collective, which is very interesting to think about.

Dr. Brett Jones:

But what you’re thinking about is the whole, but each independently creating the whole in its ideas, versus really one major dominant thought form that controls the whole. That’s currently the flip that’s being attempted. And if you lose mental sovereignty, which is the ability to think for yourself and express those thoughts, you are also going to lose body sovereignty. I’ll say it again.

Dr. Brett Jones:

If you lose mental sovereignty and the ability to think for yourself and express those thoughts, you will also lose body sovereignty. Which means that if you can’t think for yourself how to take care of your body, someone else will “take care” of your body.

Dr. Nicole:

Take care.

Dr. Brett Jones:

So to me, that’s very fucking dangerous. And then I don’t even think it’s just dangerous. I think we then lose out on what it means to be human, right? For me the greatest expressions of human, because human is currently in a third dimensional reality that has time and space, that has personal identification.

Dr. Brett Jones:

Moving into spirit level of the fifth dimension in the all consciousness, there is no other. If you value the human experience with having your own sets of emotions and experiences that are high, that are low, that are grand, that are small, that can create families and have freedom of choice and freedom of thought and to go here and to go there. And if you enjoy that human experience, you have to fight for it.

Dr. Nicole:

Yeah, and I think it’s people need to get out of this mindset that it’s going to come from the above, that this is going to end. And then all of a sudden someone’s going to say, this is going to go back to normal or life will go back to normal.

Dr. Nicole:

Is that I think that the biggest goal of this podcast is to understand that it starts with us and it’s really going to be the people rising up and being able to think for themselves and being able to ask better questions and being able to potentially inspire others around them that are open. Not everyone is open.

Dr. Nicole:

And we do need to understand that. We kind of need to know where to put the energy when it comes to the fight, because there’s just some people that are just in the mindset that they’re not open and that’s their life. But there are many people, and I know this for a fact, there are so many people that are just cowering inside because they want to say something.

Dr. Nicole:

They feel like something’s wrong. They feel that the world is going in a bad direction. They feel that they’re getting their rights ripped away, but they are not saying it because of the fear of what people are going to say around them. But there are so many others that are thinking and feeling the same way.

Dr. Nicole:

And I think it’s a matter of just empowering each other to be able to have open, honest, and non-judgemental conversations. And it’s just understanding that everyone grew up differently. Everyone has a different set of values and a different set of beliefs. And there are a lot of people that are like, I don’t want to be forced to do a vaccine.

Dr. Nicole:

But I think that they work, but this is weird that it’s being pushed on me and I could potentially lose my job if I don’t do it. People are starting to ask these questions, like this doesn’t make sense. But being able to have conversations without judging, like how dare you think that way, or how dare you do that?

Dr. Nicole:

Because there are a lot of people that are just searching for answers and they’re searching to see what can we do as a collective to push things in the right direction or push things in a direction that we can maintain our mental sovereignty and our health, and be able to hug our relatives and our loved ones and be able to regain connection and community? Because these are the things that really allow us to thrive and be healthy.

Dr. Brett Jones:

As you get into quantum physics and the application of quantum physics and how that works with quantum philosophy, you might understand this a little bit better, but I think most people can get it anyway. There is a variety currently of perspectives in our paradigms.

Dr. Brett Jones:

To me, the number one question I like to ask myself, in any given situation, what is the most empowering perspective I can choose to hear? So you name the incident. So right now we’ve been talking a lot about the “pandemic”. And in this, there is a perspective, right? When someone say a dominant perspective, that viruses are dangerous and they need to be abolished.

Dr. Brett Jones:

I mean, they need to be destroyed. And then if that is my perspective and what does my life look and feel like? Well, in that perspective, I’m going to be in a lot of fear until somebody else potentially creates what is needed for the next virus that will either create restrictions in regards to me not interacting with that virus by means of masking distance, blah, blah, blah, you name it.

Dr. Brett Jones:

Or somebody else creates a therapy for it. Or somebody else creates a gene therapy or a vaccine or whatever that might protect me from future interaction, right? That’s one perspective of life you can choose. That is one. To me, it’s dis-empowering. I don’t choose that one.

Dr. Brett Jones:

A more empowering perspective for me is viruses are something that have always been here and they’re always going to be here. I want to see how can I train and adapt my body to greater levels of health so that I can interact with viruses naturally and be healthy?

Dr. Nicole:

100%.

Dr. Brett Jones:

That is my perspective that I choose because I feel more empowered because there’s something that I can do, right? And then again, that goes with everything in life. No matter what problem comes your way, what challenge comes your way or what blessing and gift comes your way, what’s the most empowering perspective I could have here?

Dr. Brett Jones:

Because life can always be happening to you or it can be happening for you. And so we can choose to view things differently, and all it takes is that little perspective shift. And all of a sudden, you’re back in your power, you’re back in your purpose.

Dr. Brett Jones:

And so that’s my challenge to humanity and whoever’s listening to this here, is when it comes to your life, right? One, what are you willing to die for? And what is the most empowering perspective you could hold?

Dr. Nicole:

Yeah, I think what you said is huge. It’s being proactive and not reactive. This really goes against the grain from what a lot of us has been told, because it’s the mindset of don’t fix it until it’s broke. For those of you, especially that are listening that are looking for resources is even knowing Integrative Wellness Group exists, The Source Chiropractic exists.

Dr. Nicole:

Because we are individuals that are really helping other people to be proactive in their health. And it’s just a matter of having information because you don’t know what you don’t know. And we really hope that this was empowering for a lot of you. And we hope this really opened the conversation for yourself and for you to open the conversation with others.

Dr. Nicole:

Because I know that a lot of people are struggling with what’s happening in the world and really not knowing what’s right and what’s wrong. There’s a lot more information, obviously we could provide when it comes to the vaccine, the virus, et cetera.

Dr. Nicole:

But I think the most important thing is critically thinking and thinking for yourself, and not necessarily taking what is being fed to us as being the black and white science. Because it’s not, and it’s a matter of us rising up and asking better questions. And it’s really doing it for us, but it’s doing for our families as well.

Dr. Brett Jones:

Yap, future generations, they need us.

Dr. Nicole:

Well, thank you guys for being here. Thank you Dr. Brett. This was awesome. And we’ll hopefully have some more fun podcasts coming in the future.

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